Well, Yvon Chouinard’s still got it. The 81-year-old Patagonia founder recently sat down with Fast Company to talk all things planet Earth, and the continual — and innovative — efforts he and his company are making to preserve it.

According to an expose by The Guardian, female workers at a factory in Bangladesh that makes leggings for Lululemon are alleging physical and emotional abuse by their employers.

As brands big and small, legacy and start-up, and cheap and expensive use eco-friendliness to sell clothing, The New York Times is wondering if all these sustainability efforts are actually kinda making things worse.